Hooah!

[ShortBusDriver82]

I'm on the fence... I don't think they fuck troops outta slots but they make sure you maintain standards to the T... example, my PT test at BAC was good but I lost a ton of pushups due to not breaking the plane...

This is a lesson that you must practice the standards, so that you can meet the standards...

[italyjumper]

Off topic....

Dirt,
I agree with you. What many Soldiers fail to realize is that whenever you attend a TRADOC school, you are going to be graded to a standard that is unlike the one you will find in your unit. The instructors in Tradoc units give PT tests weekly. They know the regulations and follow them to a T.

Every school that I send my Soldiers to, I weigh and tape them, give them a hard ass PT test because I know from experience that they will be grading you to a standard that many NCOs back at home station fail to meet. At every level of NCOES attended, my PT Scores dropped because the instructors were grading to standard on pushups and situps. They werent being dicks, they were just doing the right thing. Many PT tests in my units counted pushups and situps for Soldiers that wouldnt count at Army schools.

The point I am trying to make is that whenever a Soldier attends a military school, he has to expect that his PT test is not going to be like the ones from home station. You must go in with the mindset that your Pushups and Situps are going to drop substantially. If you prepare physically and mentally for it, you will have no problems. The PT test is used as an entry point for many schools. If you fail it, you dont even start the instruction.

I know exactly why Hooah failed his PT test. I saw it every day while I was in ANCOC down at Benning. Soldiers would graduate OSUT and then move over to either Javelin school or Airborne Holdover. While there, they would get lazy, eat Subway, Anthonys Pizza everyday and just go downtown with their buddies. They forgot that the reason they were there was so attend a school and graduate. Complacency sits in because they think they have accomplished something by graduating OSUT. While that is an accomplishment for some, its just a stepping stone for bigger and better things.

Bottom line, it sounds like Hooah has taken responsibility for his actions and will probably turn out alright in the future.

[Dirt_McGurt]

Gotcha IJ.........

[Milktruckcopilot]

DT

Was it a case of 41, 41, 41....?

It's your responsibility to be ready, prior to graduating and heading to BAC we were told constantly about the standards (41 club) especially by Drills who were Paratroopers.


Seems to be alot of Dco graduates here, I was one as well.

[ABN5-0]

Sorry to hear you failed. You can still hold your head high because you are doing something that most young people will never do. Jump School will always be there. Work on the push ups and try again. Besides being a dope on a rope isnt all that bad .

[Duct Tape]

Still here at HHC. Didn't get my orders in this week so I'm here for atleast another week. I spent all day yesterday on Fryar DZ. Got to set up the RAM then spent the rest of the day popping smoke for the jumpers. Got to watch an entire stick land in the trees. Then I spent another day with the riggers today. If I get to go back to Airborne, I'll defienatly have a better idea of what it takes to put a jump together.

[Psycho7]

Duct Tape did you even get recycled for a retest or did you say fuck it?

How many did you miss it by?? Nut up young soldier you should be doing pushups all day till you retest. Back off the subs,pizza and burgers they are for us old retired fuckers and BTDT's now YOU NAP

[SpongeBob]

No matter why you failed (your fault or you got fucked)....
You still failed!!!!

Work on your weaknesses and hope for a 2nd chance.
Just remember, you don't always get one!!!!

[VoTrooper99]

Do they retest in jump school?

One thing about pushups (and I'm not making excuses for the lad)...most people in the Army say you must "break the plane"...but the verbiage I recall from the FM is that you have to have your upper arm at a 90 degree angle to the chest...

That's not breaking the plane, that's meeting it. I have seen folks not count pushups for not going beyond 90 degrees...




PUSH! And get back when you can. Reenlistment time is prime time for getting back...

[Psycho7]

Vo the fucker that graded me if you didnt lock your arms or your chest didnt hit the ground it didnt count. That was the first APFT I ever took that the grader would not tell you what you did wrong. Those damn push ups had to be perfect it seems that is always what gets them.

[Spike]

My son was a D Co graduate too---------- I wanted to mention to whoever asked about winter graduation----- Josh did on Jan 28 --even for Minnesotans it was windy and cold-- had an awful time giving him blood wings they had so much on- he got pricks not scars----lol- Jay got any suggestions for me to throw out to him- they will be getting back from 15 months in the sandbox here in nov -- he is totally disgusted with what his outfit is like now being run my a bunch of medal seeking shitbags-- all the good ones got tapped for other stuff------- he was talking bout putting a Warrant Pkg together-- but he loves jumping-- he is E5 and reupped for 5 more he still loves infantry though he said- man of experience--got any advice I can pass on?
wish he could meet you- maybe he did I think you may have still been at JRTC when he went thru last summer

[italyjumper]

Good deal..What rank is he? 11B? What did he reenlist for?

[Spike]

E5 --- 11B --he originally I think went 18x cus he wanted guaranteed ABN but not sure if thats what paperwork says , I know he has done some radio school stuff and sling load classes -he is smart so when ever someone needed sent to school from his platoon he was the one LT sent-- he lost his Pl Sgt and most looked up to friend this tour and then got transfered to another platoon when he made E5 - he is just disgusted wtih the lack of proffesionalism in his battalion right now
he has been radio op .50 gunner 240 gunner and TC since they have been in Iraq - he still prefers his men from old platoon to new ones-lol
he has turned down Ranger School twice if that says anything-- dont know if he would talk to you via email if I mentioned it to him- you know how comments from Dad are taken

[Ironic-Mike]

Some things Have changed since I was in.

For starters the Airborne PT Test was given at the applicant’s home station. In Basic everybody who volunteered for Jump School was tested while in Basic. I don’t know what happened to those who flunked the test. Maybe re-tested later on. As for me, having been in the Army for a while, I got a couple of Airborne qualified Officers to give me the Airborne PT Test. And wouldn’t you know it, that very morning of the Airborne PT Test we were all given some shots. So when it came to do the chin-ups my arm was still sore; I couldn’t do it. So we rescheduled the test for the next week. And I passed the test so very easily. About a week or two later I was given the Word: the Airborne PT Test had been changed. It was now the Standard PT Test given to everybody. Once more onto the PT Course. Once more I passed the test very easily. I even set a new personal time for the 2 mile run while wearing boots: 12:30 flat. (I beat that time later on but that’s another story.) And a while later I got the orders to report to Fort Benning and Jump School. If you’ve haven’t read my thread about Jump School I suggest you find it. It might provide some things in contest with what you’re going through.

But you’ve taken the Airborne PT Test how many times now? I did it three times so I could get to Benning and get my wings. I was never a Jock – except for running – in my life. But I wanted those wings. I knew I was a better soldier than most of the people around me. The best soldiers I knew were paratroopers. And I wanted to be with them. So I did what I had to do to get those wings. And I earned them.

If you’re out of shape, which is a sorry excuse for an Eleven Bush beater, Get Yourself INTO Shape! The only time I flunked a PT test was in Basic! I had a horrible time doing the Horizontal Ladder. But I worked on it and passed it. The first time I did the Horizontal Ladder successfully my hands bled. I can understand if you’re coming off an injury of some kind, but if you aren’t, If You Aren’t, stop logging onto the PC and start running some miles and start doing extra pushups.

[italyjumper]

I have a few words you can pass on to your son..

No matter how bad things might be in your current unit, the thing I have learned in the Army is that it always changes. People will come and go. You will get some bad leaders and some excellent ones. You will have some great buds and some that cant stand to be around for more than five minutes. You have to observe everyone and take the good traits from the good Soldiers and learn from the mistakes of others. I have developed alot more as a Soldier because I had one of the most ate up Platoon Sergeants growing up. He showed me exactly what I didnt want to be.

The point I am trying to make is that your son is young. He has the ability to do many things if he decides to stay in the Army. His best bet is to ride out his current situation. Once he redeploys, have him talk to the reenlistment NCO and see what his current options are for transfer, new job training, stabilization, schooling,..etc..I am not a reenlistment NCO but if your son has never reenlisted before, he has many options that he can reenlist for. The bonuses are awesome this year too.