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    I knew that the Dems had no REAL convictions, and their position is intellectually dishonest its the whole Against the war before I was for it, in Kerryspeak.

    Dems Abandon War Authority Provision

    Published: 3/12/07, 9:25 PM EDT
    By DAVID ESPO and MATTHEW LEE

    WASHINGTON (AP) - Top House Democrats retreated Monday from an attempt to limit President Bush's authority for taking military action against Iran as the leadership concentrated on a looming confrontation with the White House over the Iraq war.

    Officials said Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other members of the leadership had decided to strip from a major military spending bill a requirement for Bush to gain approval from Congress before moving against Iran.

    Conservative Democrats as well as lawmakers concerned about the possible impact on Israel had argued for the change in strategy.

    The developments occurred as Democrats pointed toward an initial test vote in the House Appropriations Committee on Thursday on the overall bill, which would require the withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Iraq by Sept. 1, 2008, if not earlier. The measure provides nearly $100 billion to pay for fighting in two wars, and includes more money than the president requested for operations in Afghanistan and what Democrats called training and equipment shortages.

    The White House has issued a veto threat against the bill, and Vice President Dick Cheney attacked its supporters in a speech, declaring they "are telling the enemy simply to watch the clock and wait us out."

    House GOP Leader John Boehner of Ohio issued a statement that said Democrats shouldn't count on any help passing their legislation. "Republicans will continue to stand united in this debate, and will oppose efforts by Democrats to undermine the ability of General Petraeus and our troops to achieve victory in the Global War on Terror," he said.

    Top Democrats had a different perspective.

    Pelosi issued a written statement that said the vice president's remarks prove that "the administration's answer to continuing violence in Iraq is more troops and more treasure from the American people."

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said in a statement that America was less safe today because of the war. The president "must change course, and it's time for the Senate to demand he do it," he added.

    The Iran-related proposal stemmed from a desire to make sure Bush did not launch an attack without going to Congress for approval, but drew opposition from numerous members of the rank and file in a series of closed-door sessions last week.

    Rep. Shelley Berkley, D-Nev., said in an interview there is widespread fear in Israel about Iran, which is believed to be seeking nuclear weapons and has expressed unremitting hostility about the Jewish state.

    "It would take away perhaps the most important negotiating tool that the U.S. has when it comes to Iran," she said of the now-abandoned provision.

    "I didn't think it was a very wise idea to take things off the table if you're trying to get people to modify their behavior and normalize it in a civilized way," said Rep. Gary Ackerman of New York.

    Several officials said there was widespread opposition to the proposal at a closed-door meeting last week of conservative and moderate Democrats, who said they feared tying the hands of the administration when dealing with an unpredictable and potentially hostile regime in Tehran.

    Public opinion has swung the way of Democrats on the issue of the war. More than six in 10 Americans think the conflict was a mistake - the largest number yet found in AP-Ipsos polling.

    But Democrats have struggled to find a compromise that can satisfy both liberals who oppose any funding for the military effort and conservatives who do not want to unduly restrict the commander in chief.

    "This supplemental should be about supporting the troops and providing what they need," said Rep. Dan Boren, D-Okla., on Monday upon returning from a trip to Iraq. Boren said he plans to oppose any legislation setting a clear deadline for troops to leave.

    In his speech, Cheney chided lawmakers who are pressing for tougher action on Iran to oppose the president on the Iraq War.

    "It is simply not consistent for anyone to demand aggressive action against the menace posed by the Iranian regime while at the same time acquiescing in a retreat from Iraq that would leave our worst enemies dramatically emboldened and Israel's best friend, the United States, dangerously weakened," he said.
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    Their divisions will grow.
    The best thing for the Repubs in the next election was losing congress in the last election.
    The Repubs were damn lucky the last election wasn't for the Presidency.
    Hopefully it was a wake up call to bring them back to their base platform.

    The more power the Dems have, the more infighting they will have.
    They try to encompass to much, represent to many factions.
    It could be the next election will see a new party spin off the DNC.

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    More mindless banter from the well fed moonbats . Would a pullout make people happy yes. But things need to be accomplished first. If this surge partially works we should be able start a drawdown within a year from mid-07. Then it would be taking troops out of pacified areas in the North and South. We will be in Baghdad and the Al Anbar province for 24-36 more months. It's nice to say lets bring them all home. But an immediate total pullout would create a vacuum. That would make that area unstable and weak. It would be a nice target for Iran to come in and occupy. If Iran gets ahold of Iraq than all is for nothing. In my opinion the best thing we could do is tell Israel to go fuck themselves. That is where our problem lies. We back a greedy nation that wants what isn't theirs. Isolating Israel would drive up our standing in the arab world. Not to mention what it might do to crude oil prices.

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    I have never been polled or asked my opinion so just exactly where do they keep coming up with these polls that exhibit the opinions that they want them to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grouchy Hippo View Post
    I have never been polled or asked my opinion so just exactly where do they keep coming up with these polls that exhibit the opinions that they want them to?
    Hippo they never ask me either, I think they have me on a list somewhere
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    The stupid fuckers who take these polls must have their minds clouded with bong smoke.

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