Syria Shoots Down Turkish military aircraft

[IEDmagnet]

No, it doesn't sound like you have a "tin foil hat" at all. There's been some weird shit going on since JAN 2009. Just to throw this out there, wouldn't it be interesting if the F4 Syria shot down was unmanned? Talk about Gulf of Tonkin revisted! Now THAT would be "tin foil hat." Still, as much of a conspiracy theory as that sounds, nothing surprises me anymore. But seriously, I think you're right about this possibly being the beginning of something much larger. It has the potential to ignite the entire region, and quite possibly Third World War material...

Agreed. Seems to me that Czar 'Bama doesn't pick his friends well, or he picks them too well. Which one is yet to be determined.

[Jeff82]

Somebody light the fuse! (if it hasn't been already) Let's get this show on the road!!

[Static-Line]

Agreed. Seems to me that Czar 'Bama doesn't pick his friends well, or he picks them too well. Which one is yet to be determined.

I think we're about to find out real soon...

[VoTrooper99]

I'll let you know what Damascus is like soon enough...

[Old All American]

Hate to sound like the guy with a foil hat, but does it not seem like everyone who helps us against AQ is turning up dead? Doesn't seem like the powers that be are doing a wonderful job protecting the identities of our CIs.

As for the aircraft incident, this may be the beginning of something much larger than any of us imagined.

You know what they say, just because you're paranoid-schizophrenic doesn't necessarily mean the little green (or is it gray?) men aren't actually out to get you.

[Zimmy]

I see this as case of Turkey instigating (for us) an attack by Syria so that the Obama regime can send troops against the last Original dictator in the region. Despite Hillary telling the mean old bad man to act nice and quit shooting protestors. His lack of obedience is unacceptable.

Im sure the check for that old F-4 is already delivered by State dept courier.

[david1833]

Doesn't sound like it's over.

Turkey dubs Syria 'a clear threat', vows to retaliate

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Turkey branded its former ally Syria "a clear and imminent threat," on Tuesday as its Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan vented his fury over the downing of a Turkish fighter jet.
In his most outspoken criticism of the Damascus regime, Erdogan vowed to retaliate against the "heinous act" and promised a change of military attitude to any Syrian officer approaching the common border.
"The rules of engagement of the Turkish Armed Forces have changed given this new development," Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan told parliament following the shooting down of F-4 Phantom jet Friday. The two pilots are still missing.
Any risk posed by Syria on the Turkish border will be "considered a threat and treated as a military target," he said in a jam-packed room of lawmakers who frequently interrupted the address with applause.
Erdogan said his government would retaliate "with determination" and take what he called the "necessary steps by determining the time, place and method by itself".
The prime minister said Turkey's military jet violated the Syrian airspace for a short time and "by mistake" and repeated that it was unarmed, flying solo when it was shot down by Syria "without a single warning."
"We did not receive a single warning, note from Syria (regarding airspace violation)...They acted without warning. This is a hostile act," Erdogan said.
Erdogan said that Turkish airspace had been violated 114 times by military aircraft from different countries, including Syria, since January 1, 2012.
"Syrian helicopters violated our airspace five times. These were short-term violations," to which Turkey issued the necessary warnings, Erdogan noted.
"This latest development shows that the Assad regime has become a clear and imminent threat to the security of Turkey, as well as for its own people," he added.
Erdogan broke with former friend and ally Assad, whom he called "a bloody dictator," after unrest that erupted mid-March last year met a bloody response from Damascus, sending more than 33,000 refugees into Turkey.
"Turkey will support Syrian people in every way until they get rid of the bloody dictator and his gang," he said on Tuesday.

[SOWT]

My impression of the Turks is not real high, European version of the Korean Military.

1km= 20 sec in and out, so the Turks may have been sloppy pilots and strayed into Syrian Airspace. The Syrians were quick on the trigger, and may have violated some ICAO regulation (ironic if you think about).

I saw another report that said the Syrians fired on a SAR Aircraft, and that is what prompted the Art V request.

Problem is Russia is heavily invested in Turkey, so this could quickly become NATO vs Russia event (which is why I envision a very limited strike).

[Static-Line]

My impression of the Turks is not real high, European version of the Korean Military.

1km= 20 sec in and out, so the Turks may have been sloppy pilots and strayed into Syrian Airspace. The Syrians were quick on the trigger, and may have violated some ICAO regulation (ironic if you think about).

I saw another report that said the Syrians fired on a SAR Aircraft, and that is what prompted the Art V request.

Problem is Russia is heavily invested in Turkey, so this could quickly become NATO vs Russia event (which is why I envision a very limited strike).

Yup, I've heard that too about the SAR aircraft. At this point we shouldn't be surprised by anything...

[Static-Line]

http://blogs.cfr.org/cook/2012/07/12...om-shoot-down/



Rather interesting to see the Council on Foreign Relations put out an article like this. Makes me wonder...

[Dustover]

Things are really heating up in Syria, most violent fighting yet, groups stating the "Battle of Damascus" is coming. This civil war is about to get way more bloody.

http://www.tolonews.com/en/world/689...g-in-16-months
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/16/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1