Anti-Militia Laws

[bg]

I nominate JoBa's AO for the first annual "Gold Rush Barbecue".

[Zimmy]

Most people go where the money is. Also, he was on probation when he got the job. In order for him to get an early release I had to give him a job as a picture framer. He worked for me about six months at minimum wage, he lived in a half way house downtown, he couldn't have left the state if he wanted to.

I talked to him on the phone about a month ago, he took up painting and has actually become good enough to get into a few galleries up there. He said he is happier now than he has ever been in his life. He has a great job, a woman who idolizes him, and his artwork is selling.

I live here because my house is paid for, the weather is the best in the country, my house is on a peninsula surrounded by water, never gets too hot or too cold, most all of my friends and support base (doctors and such) are here. I have a great house that I love living in. Calyfornia ain't all that bad when your retired, hardly any bureaucrats to deal with anymore.

My house: Attachment 17447Attachment 17448Attachment 17449

-John

Looks a lot like my house except it's 10X bigger.

[Skyshark]

JoBa, that is pretty sweet there. You are in So Cal right?

[Doug]

Tread lightly. Tyrants call them 'so called rights'. Don't allow yourself to become so inert that you accept that yoke while perpetuating their lie.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Throwing the bums out on their collective asses (stripping their 100% first term pension qualification and gold plated health care to boot) and providing new guards for our security is not only our right as Americans but our responsibility. And that means that we are fully within our rights in closing down all their unlawful usurptions and abuses after they are gone.

If you look at every one of our so call rights in our Constitution and Bill of Rights, then if it were possible, you examined every law that regulates your life as a citizen in each state, you would see that every single right granted to us has indeed been infringed upon. Not just once, but so many times, and so many different ways, that it renders every single one of them null and void.

Then to insure that they did not miss anything, they made "The Patriot Act" the law of the land.

As an American, we live at the pleasure of our authorities.

-John

[Purple]

...(stripping their 100% first term pension qualification...

CRS Report For Congress
Retirement Benefits For Members of Congress

Prior to 1984, neither federal civil service workers nor Members of Congress paid taxes to Social Security, nor were they eligible for Social Security benefits. Members of Congress and other federal employees were instead covered by a separate pension plan called the Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS). The 1983 amendments to the Social Security Act (P.L. 98-21) required federal employees first hired after 1983 to participate in Social Security. These amendments also required all Members of Congress to participate in Social Security as of January 1, 1984, regardless of when they first entered Congress. Because the CSRS was not designed to coordinate with Social Security, Congress directed the development of a new retirement plan for federal workers. The result was the Federal Employees’ Retirement System Act of 1986 (P.L. 99-335).
Members of Congress first elected in 1984 or later are covered automatically under the Federal Employees’ Retirement System (FERS), unless they decline this coverage. Those who already were in Congress when Social Security coverage went into effect could either remain in CSRS or change their coverage to FERS. Members are now covered under one of four different retirement arrangements:

Full coverage under both CSRS and Social Security;
The “CSRS Offset” plan, which includes both CSRS and SocialSecurity, but with CSRS contributions and benefits reduced by Social Security contributions and benefits;
FERS plus Social Security; or
Social Security alone.
Congressional pensions, like those of other federal employees, are financed through a combination of employee and employer contributions. All Members pay Social Security payroll taxes equal to 6.2% of the Social Security taxable wage base ($97,500 in 2007). Members covered by FERS also pay 1.3% of full salary to the Civil Service Retirement and Disability Fund. Members covered by CSRS Offset pay 1.8% of the first $97,500 of salary, and 8.0% of salary above this amount, into the Civil Service Retirement and Disability Fund.

Under both CSRS and FERS, Members of Congress are eligible for a pension at age 62 if they have completed at least five years of service. Members are eligible for a pension at age 50 if they have completed 20 years of service, or at any age after completing 25 years of service. The amount of the pension depends on years of service and the average of the highest three years of salary. By law, the starting amount of a Member’s retirement annuity may not exceed 80% of his or her final salary.

As of October 1, 2006, 413 retired Members of Congress were receiving federal pensions based fully or in part on their congressional service. Of this number, 290 had retired under CSRS and were receiving an average annual pension of $60,972. A total of 123 Members had retired with service under both CSRS and FERS or with service under FERS only. Their average annual pension was $35,952 in 2006.

http://www.senate.gov/reference/reso...df/RL30631.pdf

And so it goes...

Purple

[Doug]

And so it goes...

Purple

all of which is obviously true . . . however for easy math assume it's a 100k year job for two years. = 200k and lets just assume that magically they don't eat or spend any money. they take the job poor, they leave as multi millionaires. . .

and we pay for their pensions, health care, and security for the rest of their lives . . . all the while they magically defy the laws of mathematics and turn a potential 200k into a cool 1mil

so to review regardless of what they publish on their own information sites the fact is that they enter that body poor and they leave wealthy and supported for the rest of their lives regardless of how badly they screw up. a 'term of service' is a hardship; they are serving a term of service to their fellow citizens yet while there they acquire an entitled regal mentality and leave independently wealthy.

I find that deeply wrong and unamerican that we semiannually mint new royalty to lord over us.

If they want those things they need to aquire them honestly and run their own business or work their asses of and save to have them.

[JoBa]

My house is in San Diego, Point Loma to be more precise. It was built in an isolated area during WWII as a whore house for officers. It is redwood single wall construction. They built four of them, one large one for entertaining and parties, then three smaller ones for the ladies contribution to the war effort. Mine is one of the latter.

It was 800 sq. ft. when it was built, but is now 1,200. It was modernized and expanded in the fifties. When I bought it 29 years ago, it had been sitting empty for around two or three years, pretty much a wreck. It had beige wall to wall carpeting that I tore up. It originally had four bedrooms, a small kitchen, and one bathroom with a tub.

It now has two bedrooms, two baths, one with a shower, other with the same tub. It has a two car garage which I am turning into a wood working shop, soundproofing it and such.

I have replaced or repaired pretty much everything, new roof, baths, new heating and air, new kitchen, etc. I did all that over the 29 years I have owned it as I saved up the money to do each improvement, I didn't do anything on credit.

The original isolated area is now full of fancy homes, but my house is still pretty quiet and private.

-John