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[Sgt.Raven]

Sgt. would I be able to put the green laser w/ built in mount rail on those either of them?

If you asked about AR line:
I'll let "AR-natives" correct me if I'm wrong, but you can utilize basic "Sport" configuration's short Picatinny top rail, suitable for off-set mounts (to keep sights unobstructed). You can mount your laser at 45 degrees (Barska p/n AW11722; many others available) or with parallel extention (first is more compact).

You can also get barrel-mounted adapter, but I wouldn't hang anything onto my barrel.
S&W Tactical line is utilizing quad rail, to which you can hang virtually anything you want with much ease (see below).

If you're asking about AK line: it's simpler to maintain and operate, but more complex to hang an accessories in basic, entry-level configuration. Most of them comes here with dovetail-type of side mount rail, but hanging small laser to bulky sidemount might be not worth the trouble. Then you should replace your lower handguard with "tactical" style, containing 1-3 Picatinny rails.

I presume we're on AR page; therefore, short answer is still "Yes".

Hope that helps.

[T10]

The accessories that fit my S&W MP15-22 will fit my DPMS AR15
Sportical. The rifle cost me $725.00.
The picture is of my DPMS with NCstar P4 Sniper scope. I paid $98.00 for the scope at a Gun show. You can go to Optics Planet.com and get some good deals.

[Jeff82]

yvette, you need to decide what the top targets will be, i.e., varmints, deer, humans, paper, etc. and what distance you want to engage them. Across the room, 500 yards for example. That will determine what cartridge you should get.; .22LR, .223 Rem, .308 Win, etc.

[yvette]

Jeff I need a good light weight long range sniper rifle, to keep unwanted people off my property.
One that will also be good for deer.

[Jeff82]

You may be better served by a scoped bolt action rifle in a suitable cartridge that is readily found in your AO (Area of Operations). Define your "long range." To me long range is 800-1200 meters/yards.

Key point for you is you want to be able to hunt deer with it. There are many, many "deer capable" (assuming whitetail) cartridges, you should get one that you can find plenty of ammo for locally.

Anything from .243 Win to .30-'06 Springfield will do you right with the right bullet choice. The '06 recoil is on par with a 12 gauge shotgun which I think you mentioned (via Sgt.Raven) may have been a bit too much. Step down to the .308 Winchester which is a superb cartridge with many bullet/load choices. Being very popular there is usually a good selection of them no matter where you go.

[yvette]

Thanks Jeff

[zanshin]

I think you should be very cautious expressing in public on the interweb that you plan to potentially snipe unwanted people on your property. Four acres is a good-sized suburban lot, not a ranch. Any round from the .22 Long Rifle up is more than capable of killing humans or critters well beyond the limits of that property, even if your house is in the back edge of it -- so that means you can potentially wound or kill people far beyond the limits of your own land and into someone else's or on public property such as a street.

I recommend reading a few books by Massad Ayoob on the topic and become very conversant in what's required to defend the legal use of deadly force in court, and also be sure to post your highly visible No Trespassing signs within easy eyesight from any avenue of approach. Just owning a tract of land does not always guarantee you can shoot someone who's standing on it, and prison is a bummer of a place to be living as you attempt to prove you were right in doing so, especially if a "victim" can drag out factors such as "she said on the internet she wanted a sniper rifle to shoot people who were on her property." That shows "intent" or premeditation and makes it difficult to say you were only defending yourself in a critical situation with deadly force.

I'd seriously recommend joining a gun club and shooting everything you can wrangle your hands on before buying anything. A .223 cal/5.56mm "M-16" type black rifle has little felt recoil and can be fired easily by women and girls of very petite size without fear of injury. BUT... in many states, that's not an acceptable caliber for taking deer-sized game. Ruger makes a nice 7.62x39 (AK round) caliber in a bolt action carbine (the M77, below), and from what I can gather from casual browsing, that .30-caliber Russian variant is about as cheap a bullet as you can readily buy. It will stop boys the size of P-Chop and Zimmy, so it should handle deer very nicely. Remember that bullets cost a lot of money, and you have to practice shooting to be good with your weapon, so unless you want to take up reloading as well to lower the cost of bullets, the 7.62x39 is easier on your wallet while still being more than adequate to take deer and humans.

[Sgt.Raven]

This thread becomes quite educational.
Great suggestions, Brothers!

Yvette,
I jotted few notes for "yes/no" Ben Franklin style worksheet.
I'm sure some things are missing (guys, pitch in!), but hopefully once you fill the blanks, then picture will get more clear, since at this point it's a wide spread, which needs to be tightened up a bit.

#	FEATURE/REQUIREMENT	YES	NO	COMMENT
1	Designation/primary use
	. home defense
	. hunting (mid-range: 200-600+ m; state game)
	. hunting (long range: 800-1,000+ m; state game)
	. varmit control
	. target/competition/tactical (up to 100m)
	. target/competition (mid-long range)
2	Type:
	. semi-auto
	. bolt action
	. lever action
3	Stock:
	. Collapsible
	. Fixed
4	Light weight
5	Light recoil
6	Rifle cost (before accessories & optics)
	. $750-1,100
	. $1,101-1,600
	. $1,601-1,999
	. $2,000 +
7	Accessories:
	. laser
	. flashlight
	. bipod
	. sling (state: basic, tactical, hunting)
	. case: soft, hard
8	Optics:
	. red dot/reflex
	. zoom close range/tactical (1-4+ x)
	. zoom mid-long range (3-12+ x)

[Jeff82]

There are several lever action guns that may fit the bill.

[LadyDoc]

Yvette,

First of all, my advice is to step back and take a breath. The rifles aren't going anywhere. Unless you have some unmentioned deadline, you have time to do your research. And that is the first thing I suggest - research, research, read, and research some more.

If you go back through last year's armory threads, you will see that I made an AR purchase last spring/summer. The guys here were fonts of wonderful advice for all of my firearms purchases, but you still need to read on your own. Then use that information to decide what would best suit your needs and skill level, and then go out to many gun stores or gun shows and HANDLE many models. What looks cool online may not be what you need. What looks tactical on the shelf may tear up your hand.

I also second what Zanshin said. Are you SURE that's what you want it for? Waving a weapon around to "keep people off your property" is probably not the best idea. Are you sure your property is even safe to shoot a rifle on? Have you hunted before? Do you know if that caliber is even legal to take a deer in your state? Are you sure you can even USE a semi-auto like an AR to take game in your state? These are things you need to research ahead of time. You mention a shotgun and a rifle that you already own - how proficient are you with those firearms? Do you have access to range to practice on? Are you prepared to spend several hundred dollars or more on ammo to GET proficient if you aren't already? Maybe you've already done those things, and I'm not giving you enough credit - if so, my apologies. But having done this myself recently, I want to make sure you walk into the experience with both eyes wide open and your brain fully engaged.

If you search the Armory for threads from last spring/summer there will be several from my AR buying questions and final result that may help too. There was a ton of advice from people in there. You may also try reading the forum AR15 dot com, and the book "Green Eyes Black Rifles".

Edit to add: Also, how fond are you of cleaning and maintaining your firearms? An AR is a fairly big deal to keep in running order.

[zanshin]

This thread becomes quite educational.
Great suggestions, Brothers!

Yvette,
I jotted few notes for "yes/no" Ben Franklin style worksheet.
I'm sure some things are missing (guys, pitch in!), but hopefully once you fill the blanks, then picture will get more clear, since at this point it's a wide spread, which needs to be tightened up a bit.

Well first of all, brother Raven, this is "Amurricuh" and Yvette is a civilian - the only "meters" folks use here are things like gas meters and 'lectric meters, and speed-o-meters.

[Jeff82]

LD, didn't you purchase a lever gun too? (A Marlin 336 if I remember correctly...) Nothing wrong with that.

Ideal Deer Cartridges by Chuck Hawks.

[Sgt.Raven]

Well first of all, brother Raven, this is "Amurricuh" and Yvette is a civilian - the only "meters" folks use here are things like gas meters and 'lectric meters, and speed-o-meters.

Is that why sayings like "See you at thirteen hundred sharp" is usually responded with and ???

[LadyDoc]

LD, didn't you purchase a lever gun too? (A Marlin 336 if I remember correctly...) Nothing wrong with that.

Ideal Deer Cartridges by Chuck Hawks.

Yeppers. I have the Marlin 336 for deer, which I bought first about 3 years ago. Then got the AR last summer, after I had an introductory class on practical rifle competition. The AR is not legal for deer (neither the caliber, nor the semi-auto) in the state where my hunting camp is.

As an aside, I'm taking a class in 3-gun in August, after which, knowing me, I'll be in the market for a tactical shotgun LOL!

[Feetasshead]

Lever action gun is affordable but may kick a bit.
As an all around gun I would buy an AR15. Under 1k budget- Stag Arms, Rock River, a few of the Sig's.
Over 1k get a Daniel Defense, LMT, Colt, LWRC.

You can accessorize an AR like nothing else.