Clan F.U.B.A.R, what is it?

[IEDmagnet]

Joba, you seem a bit grumpy towards the younger troops, what's up?

I noticed it, haven't said anything. But this should be interesting.

[GERONIMO]

[QUOTE=Purple;402222]

Dear John,

FUBAR is one of a number of common slang terms - along with GI, Jeep, SNAFU, and TARFU** - in the military which came out of WW2. Were you in WW2?

And OBTW, I'm also amazed that you were in an airborne unit and never heard of the term FUBAR. Does that pose a problem for you?

And so it goes...

Purple

** FUBAR (F'd Up Beyond All Recognition), GI (Govt Issue), Jeep (GP, General Purpose), SNAFU (Situation Normal All F'd Up), TARFU (Totally And Really F'd Up)

All respect to you Purple but JEEP is not an aconem for GP, General Purpose. Maybe you left out what a JEEP was. Jeep was a Jeep and had several nomenclatures for its configuration. Thow I do not remember the nomenclature of the first JEEP I drove I do remember that the last one was the M151A1. Between the two I loged over 250,000 miles. Even though my primary MOS was 11B. There has been some interesting shit put on this thread so far. AIRBORNE! GERONIMO!!

[RH]

Acronyms such as FUBAR and SNAFU have their roots
stretch back to the good old days of WWII. Which if
I am doing my math right...is older than anyone talking
about acronyms within this thread.

Also, times change. When I served. There were no cell
phones, or laptops. It's amazing how far technology
has evolved...isn't it?

[JoBa]

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Joba, you seem a bit grumpy towards the younger troops, what's up?

I honestly did not even think of that. Apparently I am, it seems. It's probably just because they are young, and I'm old, I don't know. Maybe it's because I'm jealous that they get to do those little hotties, and all I get to do try not to get caught looking at em, like the dirty old man that I am.

Anyway, bullshit aside, I was not aware I was doing it. So if your a young trooper, I apologize if I have offended, it was not my intent. I have nothing but admiration for anyone who wears, or has worn the wings, and even more admiration for combat veterans, no matter what their age.

I won't guarantee my intentions of trying to do better, but I will try.

-John

[Para-327th]

Anyway, bullshit aside, I was not aware I was doing it. So if your a young trooper, I apologize if I have offended, it was not my intent. I have nothing but admiration for anyone who wears, or has worn the wings, and even more admiration for combat veterans, no matter what their age.

I won't guarantee my intentions of trying to do better, but I will try.

-John

Nothing but respect back at you John. I'm not that young (45 yrs but that's relative) and I'm not offended. I was just wondering if some young whippersnapper got under your skin in some manner. No worries, to quote our down under friends.

One thing is for certain, things sure have changed from your watch, to mine, to what they are doing today.

[RH]

I finally just changed my shorts...

[Purple]

[QUOTE=GERONIMO;402550]

All respect to you Purple but JEEP is not an aconem for GP, General Purpose. Maybe you left out what a JEEP was. Jeep was a Jeep and had several nomenclatures for its configuration. Thow I do not remember the nomenclature of the first JEEP I drove I do remember that the last one was the M151A1. Between the two I loged over 250,000 miles. Even though my primary MOS was 11B. There has been some interesting shit put on this thread so far. AIRBORNE! GERONIMO!!

Maybe - maybe not, but it was one of the commonly held beliefs during my TIS and still a contender among those seeking its origins today.

http://olive-drab.com/od_mvg_www_jeeps_origin_term.php

Until the procurement of the HMMMV (Humee or Hummer), we referred to the M38A1 and M151 (MUTT - Military Unit Tactical Truck) either by their numbered designations or by the term 'Jeep.'

I've owned two Jeeps - both willys - a 1951 4WD Station Wagon and a 1948 Universal.

This is my favorite Jeep image and one of Bill Mauldin's personal favorites:

Jeep.jpg

Let me know if you can find a definitive answer to the term, I'm always interested.

And so it goes...

Purple

[Para-327th]

I finally just changed my shorts...

I bet those that have to ride in the car with you appreciate that.

[david1833]

I have to admit it, but I have never heard that definition of FUBAR. When I was in it meant Fucked up beyond all repair. There seems to be some GWS going on here.

[RAMKILR]

Acronyms have become so prevalent in our language that we even have acronyms that are made up from other acronyms - one such example in the military world is "CERFP" an acronym which stands for "CBRNE Enhanced Response Force Package"; and CBRNE is in turn an acronym for "Chemical Biological Radiological Nuclear Explosive"...

[diroco]

Acronyms such as FUBAR and SNAFU have their roots
stretch back to the good old days of WWII. Which if
I am doing my math right...is older than anyone talking
about acronyms within this thread.

Also, times change. When I served. There were no cell
phones, or laptops. It's amazing how far technology
has evolved...isn't it?

You know RH , Wikipedia does state that those acronyms had their roots in WW11 ----I come from a large family that served in that time period.Uncles , father,step-dad.father-in-law,dozens upon dozens that served ----I worked with hundreds of WW11 vets when I got home. None of them ever used those acronyms.I don't doubt that they were used by a few troops but it would have been a very small percentage in my humble opinion based on my long time experience.This is just for your information only,please don't tell anyone else about it.

[JoBa]

I just can not think of any reason for us to have used acronyms. It was all verbal, via face to face, radios, or telephones. Acronyms were just not used commonly. There might have been a few around, but not around Charlie Co, 502nd when I was there. Even a fire mission was spoken out. No shortcuts were used.

I can see them becoming common when computers and texting took the place of radios and telephones as primary communications, but using them in a spoken form could do nothing but lead to confusion.

The more we get into this, the more positive I am becoming about it.

-John

[diroco]

I just can not think of any reason for us to have used acronyms. It was all verbal, via face to face, radios, or telephones. Acronyms were just not used commonly. There might have been a few around, but not around Charlie Co, 502nd when I was there. Even a fire mission was spoken out. No shortcuts were used.

I can see them becoming common when computers and texting took the place of radios and telephones as primary communications, but using them in a spoken form could do nothing but lead to confusion.

The more we get into this, the more positive I am becoming about it.

-John

10-4

[david1833]

[QUOTE=Purple;402580]

Maybe - maybe not, but it was one of the commonly held beliefs during my TIS and still a contender among those seeking its origins today.

http://olive-drab.com/od_mvg_www_jeeps_origin_term.php

Until the procurement of the HMMMV (Humee or Hummer), we referred to the M38A1 and M151 (MUTT - Military Unit Tactical Truck) either by their numbered designations or by the term 'Jeep.'

I've owned two Jeeps - both willys - a 1951 4WD Station Wagon and a 1948 Universal.

This is my favorite Jeep image and one of Bill Mauldin's personal favorites:

Jeep.jpg

Let me know if you can find a definitive answer to the term, I'm always interested.

And so it goes...

Purple

I was thinking if you pronounced GP as a word, It sounds like jeep. Maybe they shortened General Purpose to just Jeep

[zanshin]

I just can not think of any reason for us to have used acronyms. It was all verbal, via face to face, radios, or telephones. Acronyms were just not used commonly. There might have been a few around, but not around Charlie Co, 502nd when I was there. Even a fire mission was spoken out. No shortcuts were used.

I can see them becoming common when computers and texting took the place of radios and telephones as primary communications, but using them in a spoken form could do nothing but lead to confusion.

The more we get into this, the more positive I am becoming about it.

-John

John you're very fortunate to have never worked in some large corporations. When my company was acquired by GE, we got a 43-page typed list of commonly-used acronyms, and that was just on the Energy side of the business. And that didn't include the little business buzzwords they used that often had a completely different meaning from the dictionary version of the word used.

In the 70s, we troopers knew what FUBAR meant, but we didn't say "that's fubar," we said, "that's fucked up." One of our most commonly used expressions was "fun-travel-adventure" as code for FTA.