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    I belong to a Cav forum that is for Post War Korea Cavalry Vets. This is a post made today by the Daughter of a Korea DMZ Vet who recently passed away. She is trying to find someone who knew him. What this guy said is unbelievable. I have edited out some of her blather, it was a long post.

    My father, William Dale (Bill; W.D.) Bowles, 71 years old, passed away suddenly and unexpectedly this past June, 2011. About five years ago, I learned from one of his life-long friends that my dad, unbeknownst to his parents or siblings, enlisted in the army in March or April of 1958, went through six weeks of basic training at Ft. Leonard Wood, Missouri and was then immediately sent to Korea and stationed somewhere in the DMZ, in an area referred to as the Iron Triangle, to serve as an M.P. My dad told his friend about this quite some time ago but insisted that he not share it with anyone - especially family. My dad and I were always close, even so, I didn't hear this story until recently. According to my dad's friend, when he got to Korea, my dad quickly learned that Korean snipers were coming in at night and taking out American soldiers. After watching this happen for a few weeks, my dad supposedly went to his C.O., a man he called, The Colonel, and told him he could help solve the problem. Because the situation had become so severe, The Colonel essentially told dad to do whatever he thought he could. Dad said American soldiers were quickly and easily tracked, found and killed because of their heavy boots while the snipers were like ghosts. They knew the woods, went bare-footed and were difficult to track. My dad said that in order to find them, he had to stay in the woods, silent and bare-foot for days/weeks at a time. Apparently, he became quite successful at stalking and taking out snipers. His friend said that with only a knife and a pistol, my dad decommissioned between 15 and 20 snipers per night. After a few months, the problem was basically eradicated, The Colonel got a promotion and my dad had a good sized bounty on his head. The Colonel called dad in, thanked him for all he'd done and said he was going to save dad's life by transferring him out of Korea. The Colonel told dad he could go wherever he wanted and offered him the opportunity to train other soldiers in Europe, Hawaii or anyplace more hospitable than Korea. Dad surprised him by telling him that he wanted out... wanted to go home. The Colonel was unable to convince him to stay so after telling my dad that there would be absolutely no record of his existence in the military, the Colonel sent my dad home. Until.... On a really good day, five months before he died, Dad and I were sitting in a little cafe, drinking coffee and having breakfast together. Things were going so well that I thought o.k... it's now or never. I asked Dad if he'd ever been in the military. Without saying yes or no, he looked down at the table and started talking. He was right about there being no records. Several years ago, he was told that any of his existing records were destroyed in a fire in St. Louis. His friend who knew the story has, on more than one occasion, called him a hero. My dad did not think of himself that way. He was, in fact, deeply ashamed, saddened and horrified by his experience. He was disturbed and haunted by the memories throughout his life. In a time of unofficial war, he took the lives of many men in order to save hundreds of his fellow soldiers. He was only 18 years old.,

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    Someone need to sit this girl down and have a talk with her.
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    .....on the second week of basic training...they put us on a airoplane and sent us to Somalia....

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    Whoa whoa whoa (pun intended) There is a CAV Forum??

    What next a COSCOM Forum??
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    Aw hell, the guy is dead and still posing through his daughter. Got to be a poser record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP43 View Post
    Aw hell, the guy is dead and still posing through his daughter. Got to be a poser record.
    This x100! Pitiful for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyshark View Post
    Whoa whoa whoa (pun intended) There is a CAV Forum??

    What next a COSCOM Forum??
    The answer- November 6, 2012.


    The question- What is the last day that Barack Obama has to make ANY pretense of not being an extreme leftist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyshark View Post
    Whoa whoa whoa (pun intended) There is a CAV Forum??

    What next a COSCOM Forum??
    YES, THERE'S A CAV FORUM! It was started by a 1st Cav DMZ Scout with the 9th Cav who served there in 59-60. He was wounded while on duty and lost a leg. I have an Abn Bro from the A-1/17 Cav who was a DMZ Scout also with the 9th Cav in 60 but in a different Co. I was on the DMZ a couple times to visit him. My duty station was 6 miles South of the 9th Cav. There were a lot of skirmishes and Troopers wounded all along the DMZ during those years, as there has been ever since.

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    Sounds alot like the story this white herb told in my basic training. He was from Philadelphia, and said he was a Crip. Not a single tattoo mind you. He said he joined the gang, just a couple months later he happened upon the "gang leader" being held at gunpoint by a rival gang member. Knowing he couldn't let this be, he fired one shot from his "strap" at a distance of 50 yards and hit the attacker in the head, killing him.

    The grateful gang leader gave him one wish. Anything he wanted. Our hero said he wanted out of the gang, and as payment for services rendered he was "blessed out" and joined the Army.

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    One time at band camp......

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    No it isn't - these guys are everywhere. This is one I was involved in busting in 2009 after the following obit was sent to me by a friend asking me about its veracity.

    Gene Franklin DeFord - Gene DeFord, WWII Veteran, beloved husband and father, passed away peacefully at home on Friday, February 6, 2009. He was 81 years old. Gene was born April 26, 1927 in Ashland, Oregon, to the pioneer family of Byron Franklin DeFord and Addie Laura Cameron. He attended Yelm High School. He volunteered for the Navy on his sixteenth birthday. Being 6' 4", he was counting on the fact that he would be accepted as old enough to join. That's exactly what happened. In 1943, Gene traveled to England for training in the Underwater Demolition Team, what is now called the Navy Seals. Under Wild Bill Donovan, General in Command of the United States Office of Strategic Services, he saw service in most of the world during the war. During his UDT years, his team set several free-diving depth records. At Normandy on June 8, 1944, Gene was cited for a Silver Star by General Ted Roosevelt. That same day he was cited for another Silver Star by Lord Louie Mountbatten. On June 13, 1944, he was again cited for a Silver Star by General George Patton. Gene believed he was the only 17-year-old to have ever received a triple Silver Star. "The water ran red with American Blood. Our team lost 95%. We were getting killed on the beach. I was not injured, but just a little tired," from Gene's memoirs. Gene helped liberate prison camps and was proud to have been aboard the USS Franklin "Big Ben", the most decorated people in Naval history. He served on the islands of Tarawa and Iwo Jima during major battles. On October 24, 1944, Gene was engaged in the battle of the Philippine Sea on Palawan Island. He was severely injured and was cited for the Purple Heart. Gene married Margie Haley in February 1947. They had five children. He worked for the State of Washington Department of Natural Resources and Corrections Department, and was a volunteer firefighter and medic for North Olympia Fire Department.
    I immediately raised the BS flag, checked with friends at the UDT/SEAL museum who reinforced my reactions, and got in touch with the Schantag's at POW Network - an NPRC FOIA request for his records were made and the result...shock of shocks...was that the guy had not even entered the USN until 2 months before D-Day, was a 'Water Tender' 2Class on a ship, and had done none of what he had claimed all those years.

    http://www.pownetwork.org/pownet.sec...in_records.pdf

    His granddaughter was upset when we first questioned his record and we had some heated e-mail exchanges over it. There was also some heated dissention among the SOF community as many of the guys felt we should let it go for the family's sake as the guy was now dead. I take a different view of such matters - the guy lied to his family, his friends, his fellow vets at the VFW, and I'd wager his lies were used for some sort of hiring advantage along the way during his post-service civilian careers or for some veterans benefits for which he may not have been entitled. Once his records were made public, his granddaughter refused to discuss it any further. I felt sorry for the family but the record on such wannabe's has to be corrected or they go down in history as what they were not while stealing the honor and valor of those who were. People need to hear the truth.

    As far as the often used 'my records were destroyed in a fire' story, the NPRC is a part of the National Archives and Records Administraton and state:

    The 1973 Fire at the National Personnel Records Center damaged or destroyed 16-18 million Army and Air Force records that documented the service history of former military personnel discharged from 1912-1964. Although the information in many of these primary source records was either badly damaged or completely destroyed, often alternate record sources can be used to reconstruct the service of the veterans impacted by the fire. Sometimes we are able to reconstruct the service promptly using alternate records that are in our holdings, but other times we must request information from other external agencies for use in records reconstruction. In some instances, therefore, requests that involve reconstruction efforts may take several weeks to a month to complete.
    Good luck with that ROK hero's fairytales - people need to know the truth.

    And so it goes...

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    Right on Purple.
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    The man may be dead but the poser lives on.
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    "...my dad decommissioned between 15 and 20 snipers per night."

    Fuckin' criminy. These "snipers" must have been wearing red Star Trek uniforms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple View Post

    As far as the often used 'my records were destroyed in a fire' story, the NPRC is a part of the National Archives and Records Administraton and state:
    The 1973 Fire at the National Personnel Records Center damaged or destroyed 16-18 million Army and Air Force records that documented the service history of former military personnel discharged from 1912-1964. Although the information in many of these primary source records was either badly damaged or completely destroyed, often alternate record sources can be used to reconstruct the service of the veterans impacted by the fire. Sometimes we are able to reconstruct the service promptly using alternate records that are in our holdings, but other times we must request information from other external agencies for use in records reconstruction. In some instances, therefore, requests that involve reconstruction efforts may take several weeks to a month to complete.
    I dunnoh, even though my Army service started on 6 OCT 70, the Records Center claim they have no records of my prior service activity, e.g., 2 years USAFJROTC (Cadet LTC/Wing Cmdr), 4 years Civil Air Patrol Cadet (CPT), 1 year college Army ROTC and Pershing Rifles Military Society membership. Not to mention having the lead role in the High School musical.
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