Primer problem

[LadyDoc]

As I was loading up my mags at the match yesterday, I came across this round. I knew the primer didn't look right, so I didn't use it. I asked one of the RSO's about it and he said it looked like the primer was upside down. I use factory reloads, but haven't come across this before, and this is my second thousand-round case from this company.

So, just out of curiosity and for my edjumacation, does this happen often? And, if I had not noticed it, what would have happened? I know it wouldn't have fired properly, but would it have been more like a squib, or just not fired at all?

Thanks,
LD

[yrualeg]

As I was loading up my mags at the match yesterday, I came across this round. I knew the primer didn't look right, so I didn't use it. I asked one of the RSO's about it and he said it looked like the primer was upside down. I use factory reloads, but haven't come across this before, and this is my second thousand-round case from this company.

So, just out of curiosity and for my edjumacation, does this happen often? And, if I had not noticed it, what would have happened? I know it wouldn't have fired properly, but would it have been more like a squib, or just not fired at all?

Thanks,
LD

I shoot Atlanta Arms ammo myself and have never seen that before. Can a primer get seated upside down...yes does it happen not often. I don't think the striker could have hit the primer but it in ANY case do not fire any ammo that even looks suspicious.

[Ferret_LE426]

I shoot Atlanta Arms ammo myself and have never seen that before. Can a primer get seated upside down...yes does it happen not often. I don't think the striker could have hit the primer but it in ANY case do not fire any ammo that even looks suspicious.

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[82ndMechanic]

It IS most definitely a backwards primer.

Normally, The firing pin erupts the primer and the explosion is forced from the open end of the primer thru the flash hole of the brass/aluminum casing, igniting the powder.

In this case, there is no way for the small explosion to pass thru the flash hole and launch the bullet, the primer cup is in the way.

I don't believe anything would have happened - everyone I've ever seen has acted like a failure to fire. I'm not 100%, but I believe because that side of the primer is kind of dimpled - the firing pin may not even touch it.

Want to be the test subject?

[Jeff82]

I've seen that in factory loaded ammo too. It happens, nothing is 100%. That's why we inspect our equipment/ammo/arms.

[LadyDoc]

It IS most definitely a backwards primer.

Normally, The firing pin erupts the primer and the explosion is forced from the open end of the primer thru the flash hole of the brass/aluminum casing, igniting the powder.

In this case, there is no way for the small explosion to pass thru the flash hole and launch the bullet, the primer cup is in the way.

I don't believe anything would have happened - everyone I've ever seen has acted like a failure to fire. I'm not 100%, but I believe because that side of the primer is kind of dimpled - the firing pin may not even touch it.

Want to be the test subject?

Okay, I didn't know enough about how the primer is designed to know for sure. That makes sense - thanks.
Like I've said before - I learn something new every time I go to a match.

[kraigwy]

Everyone screws up. Even factory. I was shooting a leg match years ago when DCM furnished the ammo and you had to shoot their ammo. Problem was, none of it would go off, sure the primer fired but that was it. The primer went off, came out of the case and into the reciever. (This was LC Match M72 or 30-06). Seems the Army Ammo plant forgot to put flash holes in the brass.

Luckily I was running a NG sniper school at the time using M1C/D's and furnished the ammo so we could finish the match.

[AK Airborne]

A friend of mine here bought out an ammo company. 5,000 pounds of assorted bullets, primers, casings, jacketed bullets and so on for 2 grand. Along with this haul was 35,000 rounds of loaded .38 rounds. ALL the bullets were pushed down level to the case. Most of the primers were upside down and the amounts of powder was questionable. All of them have to be disassembled by hand. He sells them for $5 per hundred. They are all nickel cases. I wondered about the level of help they had for this kind of shit to happen. Needless to say he did well on components. He sells NONE of the finished bullets of ANY caliber.

[Jeff82]

ALL the bullets were pushed down level to the case.

That is common with double ended (full) wadcutters.

[Mortarman11c]

Send it back to them, tell them it cost you the match as it was down to your last round to fire and this showed up at a critical moment. Tell them you want another 50 rounds as compensation..........

........or something to that effect.

[LadyDoc]

Send it back to them, tell them it cost you the match as it was down to your last round to fire and this showed up at a critical moment. Tell them you want another 50 rounds as compensation..........

........or something to that effect.

LOL Nah. But I did email the photo to the owner. He even replied on a holiday weekend, and asked for the number on the shipping carton. Said he would show it to the inspections people as there would be initials after the packing number. I had to dig for it underneath the packing tape, but I took a photo of it and just replied back.

Sounds like a class operation. I doubt I'd get that kind of prompt response from Remington or Winchester or whoever-corporate-entity.

[yrualeg]

LOL Nah. But I did email the photo to the owner. He even replied on a holiday weekend, and asked for the number on the shipping carton. Said he would show it to the inspections people as there would be initials after the packing number. I had to dig for it underneath the packing tape, but I took a photo of it and just replied back.

Sounds like a class operation. I doubt I'd get that kind of prompt response from Remington or Winchester or whoever-corporate-entity.

The Guy that owns Atlanta Arms lives about 30 minutes from me in Social Circle GA... Danny is a class act 100%

[Ops NCO]

LOL Nah. But I did email the photo to the owner. He even replied on a holiday weekend, and asked for the number on the shipping carton. Said he would show it to the inspections people as there would be initials after the packing number. I had to dig for it underneath the packing tape, but I took a photo of it and just replied back.

Sounds like a class operation. I doubt I'd get that kind of prompt response from Remington or Winchester or whoever-corporate-entity.

The Guy that owns Atlanta Arms lives about 30 minutes from me in Social Circle GA... Danny is a class act 100%

That's exceptional customer service, the way it should be. I'd buy from him just for that.

[LadyDoc]

That's exceptional customer service, the way it should be. I'd buy from him just for that.

http://www.atlantaarmsandammo.com/ This is the product list. You call for info or to order as per page instructions. The email works too, as I just used it.