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    By Spencer S. Hsu
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Friday, November 20, 2009

    Louisiana officials called on the Obama administration Thursday to compensate residents after a federal judge's ruling that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers was responsible for some of the worst flooding in and around New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.

    U.S. District Judge Stanwood R. Duval Jr. ruled late Wednesday that the Corps' "monumental negligence" in maintaining a man-made shipping channel known as the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet created what analysts said was a "hurricane highway," channeling floodwaters from the August 2005 storm into eastern New Orleans and St. Bernard Parish.

    Sen. Mary L. Landrieu (D-La.) said the decision vindicated those who have called Katrina both a natural and man-made disaster, citing the failure of government-built levees and water control systems. She said the federal government needs to make widespread changes in coastal-management and flood-protection efforts in Louisiana and Mississippi.

    "I will be working directly with President Obama to ensure that his administration understands the implications of this decision and the immediate need for the government to reach a final resolution," Landrieu said.

    Rep. Charles Melancon (D-La.) also said he hoped for a "quick resolution" to end the legal battling.

    Sens. Russell Feingold (D-Wis.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) said the judgment underscored the "urgent need" to reform Corps water-control polices, which have been subject to pork-barrel political interests by lawmakers. Sen. David Vitter (R-La.) said in a statement that he hopes the ruling will end a Corps culture of "gross irresponsibility," but that it was "too little, too late" for residents.

    Duval's 156-page order awarded $720,000 in damages to four individuals and one business. Legal analysts said the opinion could open the way to huge judgments against the federal government. About 100,000 people live in the area that was the subject of the lawsuit, said plaintiffs' attorney Jonathan Andry. Overall, 490,000 claims have been filed with the Corps seeking hurricane-related damages.
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    A military spokesman initially indicated that the Army Corps would take no action on such claims pending appeal, but the Corps and Justice Department spokesman Charles Miller sent a more moderate signal Thursday.

    "The department is currently reviewing Judge Duval's decision. We have made no determination as to what the government's next step will be in this matter," Miller said.



    Now I shall start my rant...I was a combat engineer in the Army. I am as proud of that castle that I wore on my collar as I am of the jump wings on my chest. I was the guy you called on the radio when you needed to build a bunker or a bridge...or send that bridge to Jesus if you needed it gone.

    As a civilian contractor, I went to the Gulf Coast after Katrina and spent 2 years working in that AO. I lived in a tent right next to the people who lost every thing they owned.

    While there, I saw many USACE flood plans for the future to prevent the next Katrina...but the people don't want them because they will interfere with their lifestyle or it is too expensive.

    NOLA flooded because nobody wanted to spend the money to fix the problem in the first place...Don't blame a natural disaster on USACE.

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    I solved the problem by not living in a fucking toilet bowl below sea level.

    So far, so good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bgermain View Post
    I solved the problem by not living in a fucking toilet bowl below sea level.

    So far, so good.
    Thank you sir...They ask us to save a city that can't be saved and then sue us over it when it goes underwater
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    Assessing blame to someone other than yourself is the mindset of the Human debris that came out of NOLA and moved into Houston, Atlanta, Alabama etc. The fact that they now found someone besides President Bush to blame let the wholesale pay off to this Parasite Class...no not Parasite..Looter class begin.

    Why should the State Of Louisiana Governor or the Cities Mayor Ray Nagin take any of the blame, I was on a call in our Disaster recovery Center when the Governor and Mayor were asked BEFORE Katrina hit by FEMA if they wanted Federal Assistance they said wait until after the Hurricane Passes...And then want to bitch when aid took 72+hours to arrive and they want to accept no responsibility for what happened..Douche bags the lot of em.
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    It figures McCain is in there licking their asses. That's why I didn't vote for that RINO dousche-nozzle.

    I heard right after Katrina that the Corps of Engineers did what they could with the money they were given. I heard that there were more funds available but that certain Louisiana and NO politicians had squandered those funds elsewhere.
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    Lets move them all out of there,and put them in trailer parks in tornado alley.Them fuckin things are like tornado magnets.
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    Plenty of empty houses in Detroit........
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    More welfare for a Welfare State! why does this not surprise me?



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    What pisses me off more than anything is that they knew way back when, and it was again re-iterated by LTG Strock (who was the USACE CMDR at the time), that the levies and such were only rated for a CAT 3 hurricane! They fucking knew and took the risk! Although no fingers were pointed at him, LTG Strock retired early, which is not his character. He was my BN CMDR back in the day at Bragg and he was a stand up guy!
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    "Do I rook rike Mrs Obama?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilted Heathen View Post
    "Do I rook rike Mrs Obama?"
    Now that you mention it........Rastro!
    Last edited by Jumpmaster_AJ; 11-23-2009 at 03:37 PM.
    "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumpmaster_AJ View Post
    Now that you mention it........Rastro!

    Nope...you didn't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilted Heathen View Post
    Nope...you didn't get it.
    Roger...got it! SNL!
    "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by K.M.I.A View Post
    Lets move them all out of there,and put them in trailer parks in tornado alley.Them fuckin things are like tornado magnets.

    Hey, Great idea! As a former resident of Kansas, I can think of some great places to put the Trailer Parks! Seriously, the fact that the slimy, politicians like that room-temperature-IQ Mayor Negen and Governor pocketing all the money for all those years that was supposed to be used to fix/improve the Levees had nothing to do with it!
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    Well I went to a public meeting USACE held in the AO while I was rebuilding a house down there in MS. Their new plan was that they would just condem all the property, buy out the property, and turn it into a National Park...

    The guy I was working for and the whole town was livid..."WE AIN"T SELLING OUT". I'm kinda ok with it...my house is 200 hundred miles inland.

    But what pisses me off is that when we rebuilt this house, we added 8 more feet too it above flood elevation, built it with concrete and steel up too 200 mph wind resistance, Impact resistant windows (I read the specs, they would probably take a 9mm round ) But with all that... in another Katrina that house is still gonna take 8-12 feet of water in the first floor and they wanna blame USACE when they get told that there is really nothing that can be done in your area to prevent a 32 foot storm surge other than tell you to move or live there at your own peril.
    A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

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