12 dead, 31 injured in Fort Hood shooting

[LadyDoc]

So much garbled info floating around.
I'm still wondering how one guy with two pistols (supposedly), and who didn't even enjoy going to the range (per his cousin), managed to hit a total of 43 people in the space of how many minutes? And most/all of those people were trained to take cover at the sound of gunfire. How many magazines did he have?

The whole thing is wierd and doesn't add up with the current info. There's still way more to this story.

Condolences to the families.

And re: his religion, the Westboro Baptist loons and the abortion clinic bombers, and Tim McVeigh and the IRA are all christians. The guy's religion/ethnicity may end up having nothing to do with it. We'll have to wait for more info.

[Har]

What a shame.

My they all RIP.

[RedFalcon]

A hypothetical question.
You are an American Citizen and a Christian.
In what order do your loyalties rank?
First to your God?
or
First to your Country?

First to God, without question.

[rmwcotton]

So much garbled info floating around.
I'm still wondering how one guy with two pistols (supposedly), and who didn't even enjoy going to the range (per his cousin), managed to hit a total of 43 people in the space of how many minutes? And most/all of those people were trained to take cover at the sound of gunfire. How many magazines did he have?
.

One doesn't necessarily have to hit a person in order to wound them (31 wounded). Plus the new XDm 9mm hold 19+1, not saying that's what he used, but with 2 mags-you have yourself at least 38 rounds right there.

[Jumpmaster_AJ]

A hypothetical question.
You are an American Citizen and a Christian.
In what order do your loyalties rank?
First to your God?
or
First to your Country?

Our Pledge of Allegiance:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[AbnJack]

I don't think it's wise to completely separate the religion from the violence. I can understand the "can't paint them all with the same brush" argument, at the same time you can't ignore the commonality of violence around the globe that comes from a "in common" religion espousing a "in common" message.

[AbnJack]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/..._hood_shooting

FORT HOOD, Texas – The base commander at Fort Hood says soldiers who witnessed a shooting rampage that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before opening fire at the Texas post.

[cb88]

So much garbled info floating around.
I'm still wondering how one guy with two pistols (supposedly), and who didn't even enjoy going to the range (per his cousin), managed to hit a total of 43 people in the space of how many minutes? And most/all of those people were trained to take cover at the sound of gunfire. How many magazines did he have?

One was a semi automatic handgun and the other was a pistol. He went into the processing center FULL of people....a half way trained person could spray shot into a crowd with those weapons "cowboy style" (one gun in each hand) and hit people. He probably wasn't standing their picking targets, he was just "waving and blasting" not caring who he hit. In close quarters like that (and someone who's a weapons expert or law enforcement may correct me here) depending on the rounds he was using (i.e. armor piercing) one round could have gone through two people standing closely together (assuming the shooter was close) or a round could have glazed one person or two persons and then penetrated another thus two or three for one.

I'm not a ballastic expert, these are just my observations from my time around guns and talking to someone I know who trains LEO's on active shooters, Close Quarters, etc.

[AbnJack]

One was a semi automatic handgun and the other was a pistol.

Difference between the two?

[AbnJack]

So much garbled info floating around.
I'm still wondering how one guy with two pistols (supposedly), and who didn't even enjoy going to the range (per his cousin), managed to hit a total of 43 people in the space of how many minutes? And most/all of those people were trained to take cover at the sound of gunfire. How many magazines did he have?

The whole thing is wierd and doesn't add up with the current info. There's still way more to this story.

Condolences to the families.

And re: his religion, the Westboro Baptist loons and the abortion clinic bombers, and Tim McVeigh and the IRA are all christians. The guy's religion/ethnicity may end up having nothing to do with it. We'll have to wait for more info.

One was a semi automatic handgun and the other was a pistol. He went into the processing center FULL of people....a half way trained person could spray shot into a crowd with those weapons "cowboy style" (one gun in each hand) and hit people. He probably wasn't standing their picking targets, he was just "waving and blasting" not caring who he hit. In close quarters like that (and someone who's a weapons expert or law enforcement may correct me here) depending on the rounds he was using (i.e. armor piercing) one round could have gone through two people standing closely together (assuming the shooter was close) or a round could have glazed one person or two persons and then penetrated another thus two or three for one.

I'm not a ballastic expert, these are just my observations from my time around guns and talking to someone I know who trains LEO's on active shooters, Close Quarters, etc.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/..._hood_shooting

Officials are not ruling out the possibility that some of the casualties may have been victims of "friendly fire," that in the mayhem and confusion at the shooting scene some of the responding military officials may have shot some of the victims.

[ABN MP]

I will wait for word to come out but the responders were most likely not even military. With the GWOT most posts are patrolled by Department of the Army police. I am not a big fan of these guys but I hope they did not contribute to any of the casualties.

[Weazle23]

Officials are not ruling out the possibility that some of the casualties may have been victims of "friendly fire," that in the mayhem and confusion at the shooting scene some of the responding military officials may have shot some of the victims.

Wow, I really hope that is not what happened!!

[Weazle23]

It was a female civilian police officer who shot him... 4 times without killing him.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/06/...ley/index.html

[AbnJack]

Wow, I really hope that is not what happened!!

To be fair....if you've got multiple shooters in a confined area, common sense would say that you can't eliminate any "who shot who" until it's been looked at closely.
Maybe that's how they're looking at it....not ruling anything out for the time being.
I can imagine it must have been a confusing madhouse.

[Kilted Heathen]

STOP NOW! It is very easy to bash one religion in this case. And believe me I can fully understand! But we cannot condemn all of the people in this religion just because of a few. Imagine people bashing the Catholic religion because of the KKK?

Although most of today's "terrorists" are from an Islam religion (sect of said religion), we can condemn all who follow it!

No, fuck that STOP NOW bullshit. This is a forum where we are allowed to vent. The ENTIRE reason this douche did what he did ( to include being promoted) is because of that sort of politically correct fucking bullshit. Today we can condemn whoever the fuck we feel like. It's basic fucking therapy.

Wanna ban me?

I don't give a fuck. If I feel an accurate assessment is the very fact that MUSLIMS ARE FUCKING KILLING US I intend to state that fact without repercussions from some saintly shit-wit who feels we need to take the high road.