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    Any info on that career. Im pretty set on it but would like more info. I know about it being very risky and all so please skip that. Thanks!

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    Hi there bh1075.

    Have you looked-up the job description (21B) on the Army's web site?

    What specific questions do you have and what are looking for from being a 21B?
    Light engineers must be proficient in marksmanship, demolitions, light infantry skills, and field-expedient engineering. Because of the austere conditions in which they operate, light engineers must have knowledge of all weapons in their unit, an intimate understanding of the weapons systems of the forces they support, and a working knowledge of the enemies' weapons. The close combat skills of light engineers must be unequaled. They must hold total confidence in their abilities to apply these skills and tools.
    FM 5-7-30

    317th Eng (Combat Mech)
    864th Eng (Combat Hvy)
    A&B Plt. (ABN), 6th Eng, 6th ID (Arctic Light)
    Co.C. 307th Eng. (ABN), 82nd Airborne Div.





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    Ive been all over the Army site, reserve site and national gaurd site. I know the basics job funtctions and duites. I guess what im looking for now is personal experiance replies from people who have served in iraq with or with out the same MOS. Just some insight on day to day life during deployment and other odds and ends.

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    Well, I was in the Engineer Corps for 8 years and got out as a Promotable Sergeant (E-5) and would have been an Staff Sergeant had I chosen to re-enlist again (I had the points in other words). My primary MOS was as a general construction equipment operator, but I served as a line doggie (12B) more than once (more often than not actually). My first duty assignment was as an M-60 gunner in a mechanized line platoon in Germany. My last was as the Assault Section Leader in a line company (C 307th ENG) of the 82nd Airborne Div. where my first line supervisor was the company executive officer and I coordinated assault Engineer equipment assets for the 504 Parachute Infantry Regiment -- a big job freakin' job for an E-5 Sergeant.

    I have not served in Iraq or Afghanistan as I got out in '96, but I did serve in Desert Shield/Storm and Provide comfort. I can give you a good guess as to what the Engineers are doing -- and that is a little bit of everything.

    It looks to me as if the main mission is moving to Afghanistan and I would be willing to bet that the majority of Engineers are headed there as it is the type of environment where they are needed.

    Engineers (ignoring some of the more soft-side MOSs like carpenters, plumbers, electricians, and topographical specialists) directly support the Infantry. We go on patrols with them, clear routes for them, build bunkers and shelters for them. We also have the capability to operate independently as Infantry and depending on the unit you find yourself in you will do this (light and mechanized -- in other words combat engineer -- units most commonly get tasked with these type of operations in my experience).

    We can (and will) also do a lot of things outside of these type of combat missions. During DS/DS/PC I was a theater Engineer asset. I worked as a stevedore offloading ships, cleared bunkers, destroyed abandoned/captured enemy equipment with explosives, and helped build numerous structures including the two main POW enclosures (also processed and guarded POWs for awhile). Also helped build and two hospitals, a road, pipline, several FOBs, the list goes on and on. Some of our guys built Gen. Schwartzkopfs (sp) headquarters -- but I was not one of them.

    In the current conflicts, where IEDs seem to be prevalent and troopers are fighting and living in tough terrain (Afghanistan), I would expect a Combat Engineer to be doing a lot of dismounted patrols looking for and clearing IEDs, building combat outposts and forward operating bases, setting up defensive fortifications that deny the enemy use of key terrain and channel them into kills zones, perhaps some bridging operations (not as likely, and most probably hasty when done), establishing fixed routes (even if temporary) over tough mountainous terrain so that the Infantry can more quickly move to their objectives. I would also expect there to be some port or rail operations and transportation jobs done by Engineers in Afghanistan.

    Basically, as a Combat Engineer you will be everyones bitch and do what needs to be done. Here is the kicker -- it is something we are damned proud of -- one of the reasons we call ourselves the Damned Engineers and our Motto is Essayons (we can try). You will be one of the first ones to deploy, and one of the last ones to come home. When you do come home, do not expect to be there for long. I have deployed from a deployment numerous times -- even done 3 deployments in a row without coming home a few times. During my eight years spent approximate 6 years overseas. I left footprints in Germany, Alaska, Japan, Honduras, Belize, Turkey, Norway, Thailand, Mongolia, Cuba, the Marshal Islands, and the Mideast and did work for almost every other MOS imaginable from SF support to cooks. When I came home from DS/DS/PC I had one week off before I was hauling equipment coming in from Korea from the Port of Seattle to marshaling yards at Ft. Lewis. A month later, I was building a refugee camp in Cuba (and pulling guard duty over refugees) with less than a weeks notice. Basically, we are never out of a job and really popular when something needs to be done in a nasty place.

    A more current Trooper might have some better info for you, but that was my experience.

    Essayons!
    Light engineers must be proficient in marksmanship, demolitions, light infantry skills, and field-expedient engineering. Because of the austere conditions in which they operate, light engineers must have knowledge of all weapons in their unit, an intimate understanding of the weapons systems of the forces they support, and a working knowledge of the enemies' weapons. The close combat skills of light engineers must be unequaled. They must hold total confidence in their abilities to apply these skills and tools.
    FM 5-7-30

    317th Eng (Combat Mech)
    864th Eng (Combat Hvy)
    A&B Plt. (ABN), 6th Eng, 6th ID (Arctic Light)
    Co.C. 307th Eng. (ABN), 82nd Airborne Div.





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    Damn 307th, you got to do all the fun shit. All they let me do was blow stuff up and play with fake napalm . 'Course that was in the peaceful 70's.
    BH, good luck in the INJUNEERS. When I was in, it was mostly training to do all that 307th mentioned. Just remember, you will be an Engr.AND a grunt. but most of the time it seemed like I was a grunt pulling extra duty.
    "Whether we bring our enemies to justice or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done."
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    Quote Originally Posted by bh1075 View Post
    Any info on that career. Im pretty set on it but would like more info. I know about it being very risky and all so please skip that. Thanks!

    There is only one job.....Airborne Infantry.

    The Queen of Battle.
    Zulu-

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    Oh yeah -- despite spending most of your time with Infantry -- you will hear a lot of Hooah I drank the Kool-aide crap from some of them and that they never saw you.

    Don't listen. This has caused more than one epic brawl. There is an intense amount of pride in the Engineer Corps too. We have been serving this country since June 1775 as a dedicated Corps.

    Some links for you:
    http://www.wood.army.mil/sapper/ Sapper School

    http://www.wood.army.mil/1STBDE/ Engineer Training at Ft. Lost in the Woods

    http://www.wood.army.mil/usaes/ Army Engineer School

    http://www.armyengineer.com/ The Engineer Association

    Oh yeah -- try to get Airborne http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu2gK...eature=related. It will put hair on your chest -- and no-one likes a leg.
    Light engineers must be proficient in marksmanship, demolitions, light infantry skills, and field-expedient engineering. Because of the austere conditions in which they operate, light engineers must have knowledge of all weapons in their unit, an intimate understanding of the weapons systems of the forces they support, and a working knowledge of the enemies' weapons. The close combat skills of light engineers must be unequaled. They must hold total confidence in their abilities to apply these skills and tools.
    FM 5-7-30

    317th Eng (Combat Mech)
    864th Eng (Combat Hvy)
    A&B Plt. (ABN), 6th Eng, 6th ID (Arctic Light)
    Co.C. 307th Eng. (ABN), 82nd Airborne Div.





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    Quote Originally Posted by 307th_ACE View Post
    Oh yeah -- despite spending most of your time with Infantry -- you will hear a lot of Hooah I drank the Kool-aide crap from some of them and that they never saw you.

    Don't listen. This has caused more than one epic brawl. There is an intense amount of pride in the Engineer Corps too. We have been serving this country since June 1775 as a dedicated Corps.

    Hey Bro, just bustin' chops.

    Engineers are Ok by me. You fucking Sapper.

    Zulu-

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    Quote Originally Posted by zuluzerosix View Post
    Hey Bro, just bustin' chops.

    Engineers are Ok by me. You fucking Sapper.

    No worries Bro -- I didn't take it serious -- just couldn't find the right smily thing to go with the post.
    Light engineers must be proficient in marksmanship, demolitions, light infantry skills, and field-expedient engineering. Because of the austere conditions in which they operate, light engineers must have knowledge of all weapons in their unit, an intimate understanding of the weapons systems of the forces they support, and a working knowledge of the enemies' weapons. The close combat skills of light engineers must be unequaled. They must hold total confidence in their abilities to apply these skills and tools.
    FM 5-7-30

    317th Eng (Combat Mech)
    864th Eng (Combat Hvy)
    A&B Plt. (ABN), 6th Eng, 6th ID (Arctic Light)
    Co.C. 307th Eng. (ABN), 82nd Airborne Div.





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    Quote Originally Posted by 307th_ACE View Post
    No worries Bro -- I didn't take it serious -- just couldn't find the right smily thing to go with the post.

    You are still a Fucking Sapper.

    Zulu-

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    Its the fate of Engrs. Never known/always needed.
    "Whether we bring our enemies to justice or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done."
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    Light engineers must be proficient in marksmanship, demolitions, light infantry skills, and field-expedient engineering. Because of the austere conditions in which they operate, light engineers must have knowledge of all weapons in their unit, an intimate understanding of the weapons systems of the forces they support, and a working knowledge of the enemies' weapons. The close combat skills of light engineers must be unequaled. They must hold total confidence in their abilities to apply these skills and tools.
    FM 5-7-30

    317th Eng (Combat Mech)
    864th Eng (Combat Hvy)
    A&B Plt. (ABN), 6th Eng, 6th ID (Arctic Light)
    Co.C. 307th Eng. (ABN), 82nd Airborne Div.





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    Nasty

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    Ferret -- amazing how one word can say so much

    Is the Nasty still around? I can't find their website anymore Brother.
    Light engineers must be proficient in marksmanship, demolitions, light infantry skills, and field-expedient engineering. Because of the austere conditions in which they operate, light engineers must have knowledge of all weapons in their unit, an intimate understanding of the weapons systems of the forces they support, and a working knowledge of the enemies' weapons. The close combat skills of light engineers must be unequaled. They must hold total confidence in their abilities to apply these skills and tools.
    FM 5-7-30

    317th Eng (Combat Mech)
    864th Eng (Combat Hvy)
    A&B Plt. (ABN), 6th Eng, 6th ID (Arctic Light)
    Co.C. 307th Eng. (ABN), 82nd Airborne Div.





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    yes the website is being updated. They are currently deployed

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