The "only female ever to earn the Green Beret"

[Skysoldier]

A chick who fell asleep sitting on a snowshoe?

Or a tennis racket!

[23LRS]

x2 LOL!!

[82ndtrooper]

I read about her over at Professionalsoldiers.com.

She did have a website and the comment section got bogged down with SF'ers leaving comments regarding her cheating her way through the course (cacheing rucks during a LN ftx) but her attorney got her the certificate of completion that did not even resemble the "Graduation Certificate"

She never was assigned to a Group, nor an ODA, not even for a day. IIRC.

Worthless skank was also spotted with cadre with her pants down, or so I heard, through the grapvine, rumor thingy. :D

[SGT G]

As I recall they brought her in along with a USAR O4. They kept her separate from the others in a small wire enclouser in the front left corner of the SFOB as you were looking at it from the road. I was a young PVT on detail there. The ruck stuff is true. If my memory serves me she had a small book bag when they scarfed her up.

[AFTAC85]

I know this one has been dead for a long time, but through research and dedication to busting out liars, I have found that Kate Wilder, Kathleen Wilder, or whatever she is has a google alert everytime her name is mentioned on the internet so she can "squash" the people who want her exposed for what she is. Just a fun fact for you guys. It was fun to read what all the guys a professionalsoldiers.org had to say about her, to include guys that went through the course with her.

[ArticPara]

The only real woman allowed to wear the Green Beret and beloved by all the nam SF'ers was Martha Raye, and hers was honorary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Raye

Interesting forum chat here: http://www.militarywoman.org/forums/...ad.php?t=15166

She came to visit us while in Alaska, actually she came to see our 1Sgt who had been one of her body guards in 'nam. She spent a day with us wearing her green beret, OD jungles and patent leather high heeled jumpboots. Fun lady.

[AlaskaDad]

Col. Maggie was the real deal. RIP Mags... So even though her beret was honorary IMO it was earned in Combat.
She is honored as well to be lying at rest in Ft. Bragg's Cemetery site 780-B
http://www.colonelmaggie.com/personal.htm

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[bugkill]

I did not really notice this thread, but I'll guess that I can chime in with my opinion on this. As an infantryman and special operations support soldier that has served in a Special Forces battalion, I find it a bit odd seeing some of the old posts from other fellow paratroopers about this woman. Did she "earn" a green beret? I have no idea and it really does not matter. Believe or not, the course could be passed by a female, it is not impossible for some of them to do it. The reason for them not being allowed in combat arms or on special operations teams is the fact that those institutions would have to change the way they do business or even lower standards in order to facilitate them (career wise) which is not in our best interests to do that. The battlefield has not changed to where adding females into those units would make them better. Units would only get worse with other issues that are prevelant in support units today in my opinion.

Back in the day, all soliders assigned to a special forces unit were allowed to wear a green beret and then it got changed for it to be worn by those that graduated the Q course and that policy continues today and my felling on it is that I could care less. I never went to selection, so it does not matter to me who wears it. I have my job to do and so do green berets, and everyone made a choice to select what they wanted to do. When I was assigned to group, I took my job seriously. My job was to support the special forces MISSION, not just the ODA's. The ODA is the spearhead of the special forces mission, but there are other parts that needed support as well that went beyond the 12 man team. The A-team had their job to do and the support soldiers like myself had ours, but we all were part of the same mission. I rolled out on some missions with the teams and so did other support soldiers that were embedded with them at forward locations, so all this talk about support soldiers in SF units are not about anything is silly. The support soldiers know who they are and how important it is for them to do their jobs, but understand, we do get into the fight and our operators made sure that we knew our combat skills to go along with our specialties before we deployed.

What I'm saying is that if you are a infantryman, a special forces operator, or any other combat arms MOS, why waste your time talking about support troops? I've been on both sides of the street and I'm proud of being both an infantryman and a quartermaster. I learned to not make fun of support troops because I experienced it first hand and not all of it is a bed of roses or easy to do. Just my .02 cents on the issue.

[Rocket1972]

I did not really notice this thread, but I'll guess that I can chime in with my opinion on this. As an infantryman and special operations support soldier that has served in a Special Forces battalion, I find it a bit odd seeing some of the old posts from other fellow paratroopers about this woman. Did she "earn" a green beret? I have no idea and it really does not matter. Believe or not, the course could be passed by a female, it is not impossible for some of them to do it. The reason for them not being allowed in combat arms or on special operations teams is the fact that those institutions would have to change the way they do business or even lower standards in order to facilitate them (career wise) which is not in our best interests to do that. The battlefield has not changed to where adding females into those units would make them better. Units would only get worse with other issues that are prevelant in support units today in my opinion.

Back in the day, all soliders assigned to a special forces unit were allowed to wear a green beret and then it got changed for it to be worn by those that graduated the Q course and that policy continues today and my felling on it is that I could care less. I never went to selection, so it does not matter to me who wears it. I have my job to do and so do green berets, and everyone made a choice to select what they wanted to do. When I was assigned to group, I took my job seriously. My job was to support the special forces MISSION, not just the ODA's. The ODA is the spearhead of the special forces mission, but there are other parts that needed support as well that went beyond the 12 man team. The A-team had their job to do and the support soldiers like myself had ours, but we all were part of the same mission. I rolled out on some missions with the teams and so did other support soldiers that were embedded with them at forward locations, so all this talk about support soldiers in SF units are not about anything is silly. The support soldiers know who they are and how important it is for them to do their jobs, but understand, we do get into the fight and our operators made sure that we knew our combat skills to go along with our specialties before we deployed.

What I'm saying is that if you are a infantryman, a special forces operator, or any other combat arms MOS, why waste your time talking about support troops? I've been on both sides of the street and I'm proud of being both an infantryman and a quartermaster. I learned to not make fun of support troops because I experienced it first hand and not all of it is a bed of roses or easy to do. Just my .02 cents on the issue.

Whether or not this is relevant to this thread or not I would agree with you bugkill. Having been a PAC NCOIC and taking care of troops regardless of what unit I have been in we still served a greater good. Sure, and without a doubt, as a POG I had my share of easy assignments. The 3/325th ABCT and 6/37th FA were not either of them. I rolled out everytime each BN did and did my thing, be it setting up the ALOC (Administrative and Logistical Center) and making sure everyone was taken care of out in the field. In know way would I compare my field experience with that of an Infantryman but I went with them every time. I was not sitting in the rear with the gear just a little less forward of the objective and shared as much danger (if not more in some instances of being kilt). If you cut off physical supply and manpower (S-4 and S-1 respectively) you are in a world of hurt.

When I was in 325 I knew where every troop was at all times and made sure I did my part as a soldier first. I may not have done MOUT training all the time like the Infantryman in my battalion but our PSNCO was former Infantry and taught us nonetheless just so we knew what was going on in case we had to perform our duties as Infantrymen. It gave me a true appreciation for what our BN soldiers were doing out in the field.

By the way, a week after I signed my Declination of Continued Service statement I came down on orders for 3rd Special Forces Group, Fort Bragg, NC. What a ride that would have been! By that time I decided that I had enough and I was going home to start a family.

[AFTAC85]

I did not really notice this thread, but I'll guess that I can chime in with my opinion on this. As an infantryman and special operations support soldier that has served in a Special Forces battalion, I find it a bit odd seeing some of the old posts from other fellow paratroopers about this woman. Did she "earn" a green beret? I have no idea and it really does not matter. Believe or not, the course could be passed by a female, it is not impossible for some of them to do it. The reason for them not being allowed in combat arms or on special operations teams is the fact that those institutions would have to change the way they do business or even lower standards in order to facilitate them (career wise) which is not in our best interests to do that. The battlefield has not changed to where adding females into those units would make them better. Units would only get worse with other issues that are prevelant in support units today in my opinion.

Back in the day, all soliders assigned to a special forces unit were allowed to wear a green beret and then it got changed for it to be worn by those that graduated the Q course and that policy continues today and my felling on it is that I could care less. I never went to selection, so it does not matter to me who wears it. I have my job to do and so do green berets, and everyone made a choice to select what they wanted to do. When I was assigned to group, I took my job seriously. My job was to support the special forces MISSION, not just the ODA's. The ODA is the spearhead of the special forces mission, but there are other parts that needed support as well that went beyond the 12 man team. The A-team had their job to do and the support soldiers like myself had ours, but we all were part of the same mission. I rolled out on some missions with the teams and so did other support soldiers that were embedded with them at forward locations, so all this talk about support soldiers in SF units are not about anything is silly. The support soldiers know who they are and how important it is for them to do their jobs, but understand, we do get into the fight and our operators made sure that we knew our combat skills to go along with our specialties before we deployed.

What I'm saying is that if you are a infantryman, a special forces operator, or any other combat arms MOS, why waste your time talking about support troops? I've been on both sides of the street and I'm proud of being both an infantryman and a quartermaster. I learned to not make fun of support troops because I experienced it first hand and not all of it is a bed of roses or easy to do. Just my .02 cents on the issue.

As Rocket said, I don't know that it's relavant to the topic entirely, but I do agree with you as well. Where I used to be an Infantryman that made fun of the Air Force, I am now one of those "zoomies", but I'm still out humpin and jumpin with the grunts and sof dudes. Being the support guys you just have to sack up and prove that you are worth your salt. Back to the original intent of the message though, I believe the point was not to rag on the support folks, but to call a spade a spade and out her on her bullshit lies about being a "Long Tabber". She publicly claims it and flaunts the fact that due to a bullshit legal battle she was "awarded" a certificate of completion of what was SFOC (Special Forces Officer Course) back when the "Q" Course was O and E segregated.

[Cabbie]

I participated in Robin Sage ......I better run out and get my SF tab

LOL

right, i did Robin Sage twice does that mean i can wear a SF tab on each shoulder>?

[bugkill]

Whether or not this is relevant to this thread or not I would agree with you bugkill. Having been a PAC NCOIC and taking care of troops regardless of what unit I have been in we still served a greater good. Sure, and without a doubt, as a POG I had my share of easy assignments. The 3/325th ABCT and 6/37th FA were not either of them. I rolled out everytime each BN did and did my thing, be it setting up the ALOC (Administrative and Logistical Center) and making sure everyone was taken care of out in the field. In know way would I compare my field experience with that of an Infantryman but I went with them every time. I was not sitting in the rear with the gear just a little less forward of the objective and shared as much danger (if not more in some instances of being kilt). If you cut off physical supply and manpower (S-4 and S-1 respectively) you are in a world of hurt.

When I was in 325 I knew where every troop was at all times and made sure I did my part as a soldier first. I may not have done MOUT training all the time like the Infantryman in my battalion but our PSNCO was former Infantry and taught us nonetheless just so we knew what was going on in case we had to perform our duties as Infantrymen. It gave me a true appreciation for what our BN soldiers were doing out in the field.

By the way, a week after I signed my Declination of Continued Service statement I came down on orders for 3rd Special Forces Group, Fort Bragg, NC. What a ride that would have been! By that time I decided that I had enough and I was going home to start a family.

Yeah, I did go off the main point of this thread, but since it was old and after reading some of the statements, I decided to speak up. I'm just tired of my brethen making fun of support troops when they are out there getting killed in combat doing the job they VOLUNTEERED to do. I was in the 325th as well and I was a 92A at the time, but last I checked I had to meet all the same standards as my fellow infantry soldiers had to in the unit and we did other training together as well, especially the mass tacs doing airfield seizures. The difference laid in the performance of our daily duties and getting proficient in our MOS, but this crazy idea that support soldiers don't do dick is profoundly ridiculous. Granted, there are specific units where support soldiers mainly work on their technical field and less on the combat side, but support soldiers in tactical units do both.

Some people may feel that support soldiers need to "prove" themselves to infantrymen and I totally disagree. Support soldiers need to do their best in their job for themselves and their unit, not to gain the respect of the infantry soldiers. Support soldiers need to take pride in themselves and that is part of the problem that I notice in support MOS's, they don't realize their history in combat and how important a role they played in some of the most historical engagements our country has faced. Hell, most of them had no clue that support soldiers jumped into Normandy! That is where they lack their pride and honor, they don't know the history and the importance of their jobs.

Back on topic, I still do not know the true facts of what she did. Did she or did she not go through the Q course? I know that it was totally different back then compared to how it is now, but what did she actually do in the course? How far did she make it before getting kicked out and what did she complete up to that point? That is what I would like to know. The whole certificate thing is a mistake that SF made trying to make the whole thing go away, but what is done is done and she has it. Oh well.

[LRS Guy]

Sigh, there is a pretty long thread about this on QP.com.

At one time officers went thru a different SFQC than NCOs. A great deal of it was, shall we say a bit easier than the enlisted SFQC. As I understand it an officer could sort be "made SF" by being there so long and doing X" number of field exercises. Matter of fact thats how Col Beckwith became SF qualified in the 60's.

Then CPT Wilder I want to say was a MI officer at 5th SFG as I was told she got the regs out and basically said, hey I meet these requirements. Which raised a shitstorm! Long story short she went thru some of the training, but was pretty much a washout for a variety of reasons.

[Martinjmpr]

I remember hearing about this waaaay back when I first went into the Army. I think I actually read about it in Soldier of Fortune magazine (yeah, I know )

As for "female soldier with a green beret" we had a whole bunch of them at Ft. Lewis when I was there. That was during the time from about 1985 or so when all personnel assigned to an SF unit wore the green beret, regardless of qualifications. There were a couple of female soldiers in 1st group HQ and Support Co. and they wore the beret just like everyone else. Heck, I still have my green beret from 1st Group, it's actually one of the best fitting berets I've ever had.

When I got to Bragg in June of 1992, I was in 3rd SFG and was put in the same barracks as the 112th Signal Battalion and the 528th Special Operations Support Battalion. Both 112th Signal and 528th SOSB were part of Special Forces Command and wore the electric butternkife patch with the green beret, and both units had a lot of females in them.

Beginning on 1 January 1993, non-SF qualified personnel were ordered to switch to maroon berets. I remember a couple of guys in my detachment (MI Det, 3/3 SFG) got chewed out by the 1SG of Support CO. because they showed up to formation in maroon berets some time around the end of December. He made it clear that until 1 January the correct headgear for non-tabbed soldiers in the battalion was the green beret.

Of course, if you want to talk about "female SF soldiers," I know of at a former SF officer that is now a female...Diane Schroer, formerly known as David Schroer, who was the commander of 3/3 when I was in it.

Google "Diane Schroer" if you don't know the story.

[AFTAC85]

Of course, if you want to talk about "female SF soldiers," I know of at a former SF officer that is now a female...Diane Schroer, formerly known as David Schroer, who was the commander of 3/3 when I was in it.

Google "Diane Schroer" if you don't know the story.

WOW!! Gross